tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post3399837758679224419..comments2023-09-02T14:13:10.364-07:00Comments on Mouse's Musings: God Said to Noah, "There's going to be a Floody-Floody." Mousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11936002393931074811noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-64074730605468037242018-01-15T08:49:01.709-08:002018-01-15T08:49:01.709-08:00I actually called Kent Hovind about this, and he s...I actually called Kent Hovind about this, and he said that he figures that the ice canopy is actually pretty thing (2-3 inches) and about 10 miles up.<br /><br />He also says that OF COURSE L&J are wrong about the Rapture, since it obviously happens after the Tribulation and not before, and that he wasn't aware that Jenkins used his cosmology. Maybe he'll mention it.<br /><br />This all does mean that I've forced Cendrillon and later The Outer Light and The Omega Legacy to play their space program stuff in hard mode, since the way I understood the canopy would be a lot harder to both reach and pierce with a rocket!spiritplumberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11103152769766633350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-35917655073022072202017-01-18T21:56:16.586-08:002017-01-18T21:56:16.586-08:00In Kingdom Come, it seems that The Other Light are...In Kingdom Come, it seems that The Other Light aren't known for their scientific curiosity either: in 1000 years they manage to build an enormous army, accumulated over centuries... and made entirely of WW1-to-WW2-era military equipment, minus any hint of an air force. Guess that the Warhammer 40k conservation of military aesthetic law is in effect? (L&J wrote this 10 years ago, so drones were already a thing)<br /><br />As far as the ice in the canopy, it's actually something Kent Hovind proposes in his writings, to the extent that he suspects that it's what caused the ice age right after the flood (what's a few quadrillion joules of reentry heat among friends, as Firedrake correctly states). In my fics I have the canopy be water on the underneath and ice on the top layer, giving the Earth a "snowball" appearance; the "supercharged" Sun and Moon are basically projections.<br /><br />In the Omega story, the players JUST miss the 1000th anniversary of spaceflight, and start building a canopy-top "space station" in +958. They have to sacrifice this station a few years later to cause some rain to fall on Egypt, but are currently building a new one.spiritplumberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11103152769766633350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-68502849214018759572017-01-18T05:10:25.055-08:002017-01-18T05:10:25.055-08:00RTCs aren't known for their scientific curiosi...RTCs aren't known for their scientific curiosity. Why bother with all that actual hard knowledge-work when you can fake it with passionate sincerity?<br /><br />And if the answer is "God's whim", there really is nothing more to learn.Firedrakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-88421884149660453392017-01-17T21:30:49.314-08:002017-01-17T21:30:49.314-08:00One of the interesting things about Kingdom Come i...One of the interesting things about Kingdom Come is that the "new world", since it's flat and covered by a water canopy that only the sun and the moon's lights can pierce, conveniently hides from the population all the paleontology and astrophysics that can be used to disprove YEC.<br /><br />Enter some of the Children of the Goats, a few years later, who want to see what's going on. <br /><br />http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/Tripocalypse.FlipsideSpaceStory.html<br /><br />(Mouse, if you want me to stop spamming mini-fix-fics at you say so and I will, otherwise I will assume that someone is enjoying them and post them when they are topical)spiritplumberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11103152769766633350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-32005690446535964752017-01-17T08:20:44.719-08:002017-01-17T08:20:44.719-08:00Though of course, the problem with the "Goddi...Though of course, the problem with the "Goddidit" answer is that it renders any kind of study moot, because why should we study anything, like say, physics, if there are no real rules and structure to the universe, if God, like a petulant child, can just kick over the game board whenever He feels like it? Why should anyone try to study gravity or the movement of planets if, again, there are no real rules to anything? <br /><br />That was one of the many things that bothers me about the LB-verse: the complete lack of any scientific curiosity. I can easily accept why after the latest disaster, they wouldn't immediately start going "Jesus is Lord!"--I've explained my reasons for that many times--but you mean to tell me that no one is studying the bloody water, trying to figure out its properties, why anything and anyone who drinks it, dies, in hopes of figuring out how to reverse or mitigate the effects? <br /><br />Also, I imagine during the disaster where there are locusts with people faces, despite the fact they sting like a mothereffer and it really hurts, you know a few scientists would try to catch them, be like, "Hey, a new species. I should study it and make a note of its behaviors and properties." I suppose I could say they'd try to figure out the nature of its evolutionary background, but we all now how Ellanjay feel about Evolution. <br /><br />tl;dr, humans have abundant curiosity and if any of these disasters happened, they would sure as heck want to study them and work out all the hows and whys. Humans see something, we try to figure out how it works; it's what we do. <br /><br />Oh and thanks to everyone who helped me with the math. Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11936002393931074811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-9401549013103459902017-01-17T01:51:44.289-08:002017-01-17T01:51:44.289-08:00This canopy thing isn't even their own bad ide...This canopy thing isn't even their own bad idea. I'm not sure who originated it, but the basic idea is to take Gen1:6 mentioning "the waters above the firmament [raqiya]" to say that there's extra-atmospheric water at this point.<br /><br />(Birds fly in the <i>raqiya</i>. But the sun and moon are also there. Anybody'd think this thing was written by a bunch of desert-dwellers with little time or instrumentation for astronomy!)<br /><br />The people who believe in this rubbish can't decide whether they're talking about liquid water or vapour (though they agree it's not ice, because that would actually be plausible). But in either case, Anonymous's 1200 million cubic miles of water (5e21 kg), being deorbited from about 7.8km/s, will produce 1.5e29 J of waste heat as it hits the atmosphere. That's enough to heat the atmosphere (5e18 kg) to about 30 million degrees (Celsius or absolute).<br /><br />Or if you say "God made that not happen", why should God go to all this trouble rather than just magicking up water out of nowhere?Firedrakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-11112130062299224152017-01-16T22:34:45.676-08:002017-01-16T22:34:45.676-08:00My first time being mentioned in the blog! *blushe...My first time being mentioned in the blog! *blushes*<br /><br />...I don't really have anything else to say.<br /><br /> Well, no, I do have one question: Is this the first time they've mentioned that there's a canopy of water above everyone? ...Okay, I have more questions than that - like how is this canopy of water different from clouds? Can things float in this canopy? how does it affect air/space travel? - but as I'm sure my questions will never get answered because the authors were too lazy to even give some of their characters names, the only question I'll try to concern myself with is the first one.Melvinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13990946326200511655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-58728210105700799532017-01-16T05:28:04.499-08:002017-01-16T05:28:04.499-08:00Bruce's wife is in Canada? ("She doesn...Bruce's wife is in Canada? ("She doesn't visit very often, but when she does they just spend all day in bed. No, you can't see a picture.")<br /><br />The Loretta-Bot is Loretta's home-grown ripoff of the Isis-Bot from the South Carolina Jones, I mean Michael Murphy, series. All it has to do is focus on the oldest man present and say "gosh, you are wonderful"; their egos fill in the rest.<br /><br />Andrew Jackson would drink both Pierce and Buchanan under the table, then invade somewhere because it looked at him funny.<br /><br />The "water canopy" is even less respectable than hydroplate theory, and that's tough going. I recommend rationalwiki.org for a guide to this stuff written by people trying to keep a straight face.<br /><br />(Note that sodomy is clear enough but nobody ever talks about what they got up to in Gomorrah.)<br /><br />Cubits: Egyptian Royal, Egyptian Short, Irish, Roman, Greek, Homeric, Short Greek, Olympic, Northern, Sumerian, Assyrian, Persian Royal, Hashimi, Black, Biblical or Hebrew?Firedrakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-70334038240541002842017-01-16T03:37:39.701-08:002017-01-16T03:37:39.701-08:00Let's save poor Mouse from the maths! Here are...Let's save poor Mouse from the maths! Here are some numbers I found:<br /><br />- Earth's surface area is about 500 million square km<br />- Everest is 8848 metres high (call it 9km)<br /><br />To cover that area to that height would require 4500 million cubic km, or 1200 million cubic miles, of water.<br /><br />Earth's *yearly* rainfall is a mere 320 thousand cubic miles. 1800 mm of rain can fall in a day in an exceptionally strong storm; I think this means that to cover Everest at that rate would need 5000 days, or 13.7 years.<br /><br />Of course, we don't know how much water would come "from below", but I don't think it would make much of a difference.<br /><br />Taking the simplest point of view, if this "canopy of water" contains enough to drown the entire Earth's surface, it would need to be 5 1/2 miles thick.<br /><br />Oh, and perhaps there were fewer species around then, thanks to evolution? Are L&J allowed that saving throw?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-32178569543216808472017-01-15T16:40:07.730-08:002017-01-15T16:40:07.730-08:00Quick note: When LB was written, the preeminent &q...Quick note: When LB was written, the preeminent "creation scientist" was Kent Hovind. Now it's arguably Ken Ham, who has different figures for the Ark (and built what he calls a replica, and most everyone else calls a theme park, the Ark Encounter).<br /><br />So, L&J's figures for things like the ark and the sky canopy are "outdated" as far as most creationists are concerned.<br /><br />The sky canopy however has the advantage of making space launches a lot easier, so in 1000 years, it's quite possible that people have buggered off to other planets or star systems.<br /><br />Obligatory minific (contains spoilers): http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/Tripocalypse.KingdomComeEnding.htmlspiritplumberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11103152769766633350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882696241406815138.post-4755727874605289512017-01-15T16:34:44.194-08:002017-01-15T16:34:44.194-08:00Hmm, Loretta is someone else who doesn't show ...Hmm, Loretta is someone else who doesn't show in Kingdom Come again (except a moment at the end which is actually pretty satisfying if you dislike RAYFORD STEELE). Since she died in the Tribulation, she'd be a Glorified. Wonder what she'd be up to.<br /><br />http://leftbehind.wikia.com/wiki/Loretta She never got a last name either.<br /><br />Past this, the Left Beyond game is continuing and has reached the year 966. Not much to add there. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=left%20beyondspiritplumberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11103152769766633350noreply@blogger.com